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Ron Watson's avatar

Agreed across all of these points. I think its also important to point out, with the depreciation of all models at once, that OpenAI was probably doing what they thought people wanted. How many times have we heard complaints that people dont know what to do with the model selector? I suspect they were also counting on the ability of the model to shift into reasoning to act as a wow factor for people that had not used or fully explored o1/o3. What they forgot is that people hated o1 when it was released and it took 2-4 weeks for us all to catch up to how to use reasoning models.

Re: the writing quality I think 4o is being perceived as better because it is more acutely and obviously responsive to user preferences via Memory or custom instructions. 5 (w/o thinking) seems to be less exaggerated in how it manifests these preferences (hence people feelings its voice has suddenly changed). I will maintain, though, that it is a better creative writer. It has a stronger sense of linguistics cadence abd structure across all of the writing types I have tested it on. Interestingly (at least to me) the thinking models dial back up how responsive they are to custom instructions and Memory. However, 5 (w/ thinking) is a much better technical writer than o3 was, even as compared to o3 pro. It is more precise, has a greater appreciation for data and a stronger sense of how to use it to build as case in narrative form.

My testing is ongoing but I can't see myself using 4o ever again.

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A.J. Cave's avatar

Rolling out a new version without first releasing it as a beta and letting users kick the tires is usually a recipe for disaster.

Remember "Classic Coke"?

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